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Was doing a gardening job and came across a bumble bee nest in an old mattress . Didn't want to disturb them because I like them and told the customer that they were protected by law . Is that correct ?

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

Animal Species Protected Under the Wildlife Acts
Mammals
Badger
All Bat species
All Deer species
Hare species
Hedgehog
Otter
Pine Marten
Red Squirrel
Dolphin species
Porpoise species
Seal species
Whale species
Pygmy Shrew
Stoat
Amphibians
Natterjack Toad
Common Frog
Common Newt
Reptiles
Common Lizard
Leatherback turtle
Invertebrates
Freshwater crayfish
Freshwater pearl mussel
Kerry slug

Still looking for a full list, will post it when the DOE get back to me.

babylady · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 43

Hi

If hare species are supposed to be protected how is it that they are taken from the wild for the 'enjoyment' of sickos involved in hare coursing?

phil · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject:

Because there is no intention of hurting them in any way, and when they have finished racing they are given a final health check and released back into the wild.

babylady · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 43

No way!

Thats crazy. How can there be no intention of hurting them. Would those sickos really get any 'enjoyment' if there was no blood to be spilled. I very much doubt it.

The hares are oftern maulled to death by the muzzles on the dogs and inflicted with so much fear.

How can fear not be considered a form of hurt?

This is absolute madness.

phil · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

We have gone through all this before,obviously you know nothing about coursing i doubt if you have ever seen a dog run a hare.There is no point in having the hares in any other than a perfect healthy condition for the run.In the wild a hare has to put up with all sorts of life and death situations and there are no second chances if a mistake is made.At a coursing venue the hares are trained to run a straight line to an escape route behind some bales, the hounds can't get near them.

phil · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject:

http://www.irishcoursingclub.ie/

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

Phil, you must know that the type of coursing you describe does not always happen. There are plenty of illegal meetings where Hares are killed and injured. I with some former "associates" intervened, with pickaxe handles, at an illegal meeting in North Louth. The hares were released back into the wild and the "sportsmen" were told in no uncertain terms that firearms would be used if we ever saw them in the area.

A few years ago in Roundstone in Galway, some locals came across a number of Northern reg vans near the village. They and the Gardai took a closer look and found that the "sportsmen" were from Armagh and were catching Hare to take back for various coursing meetings. The Gardai did not intervene as the locals released the Hares.

The sooner it is totally banned the better. Having said that I have no objections to one man and a couple of dogs going out into the wild to try their luck but not the organised meetings where Hare are already traumatised from being caught in nets and caged.

phil · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject:

I know only too well the people you are talking about and the illegal coursing where big money is bet on the outcome of whose dog kills the hare. Park coursing is completely different where the fastest dog is the winner and then goes on to the next heat and so on to find an overall winner.
Catching or killing the hare doesn't come into it.Having hares damaged in any way is counter productive,and even though personally i find it pointless ,I would defend the people who do it.

phil · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject:

"Would those sickos really get any 'enjoyment' if there was no blood to be spilled. I very much doubt it."

"The hares are oftern maulled to death by the muzzles on the dogs and inflicted with so much fear."

These insults from those uneducated in the ways of coursing were directed at legal coursers.
The only effect a ban on coursing would have is that legal coursing would be stopped,and the people who flout the law already would just carry on regardless.