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phil · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject:

I think there's a lot of would be O'Duffy's in different Governments hoping for a yes vote.

shark · Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 58 Location: galway

what are we going,to lose,ireland will still have a commissioner,as other member states.Ireland will be in control off its own tax rates.we still have irish neutrality,the will not be conscription,and no defense alliances.we will also have control off sensitive ethical issues,like abortion.worker rights,and puplic services are valued,and protected,all across the EEC.so why vote no .

phil · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject:

We've lost nothing, yet,????but to listen to Cowen its as though we have gained something,you can't be given something you already have.

The Taoiseach said concerns that led the Irish people to vote No to the Lisbon Treaty last year have been addressed by the European Council in Brussels.

The specific guarantees, which do not change the Lisbon Treaty, but provide a common interpretation of it, pledge that nothing in the treaty will affect Ireland's constitutional provisions on abortion and the family, its right to determine its own tax regime, or force the state to sign up to European defence co-operation. A previous summit in December agreed that member-states would also retain their right to an individual commissioner,

wayland · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 1171 Location: Campile. Wexford

Being English, we are by nature anti Europe. this is why there has not been a referendum on joining the euro zone. We would vote no. and so we are not asked to vote on such issues. The British government tells us that we voted them in to make such decisions for us..... So the BNP had a good knees up when Ireland voted no to Lisbon. Now I live in Ireland and can clearly see what benefit there is in Ireland being a part of the EU. If as I understand it a key issue in Europe is the decision making process. The smaller the committee the easier decisions can be made. Too many opinions spoil the broth. So maybe Ireland don't get a vote on key decisions due to its small population. Is this unfair?
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dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

You're right, but who needs a 'committee' - even one desenter could 'spoil the broth' - why not an unelected individual - hardly likely to argue with him/herself. We'd have to give them a name befitting their high office - maybe something like 'leader', or 'the boss', or 'his excellency'. If he was a gent with a military background we could call him general.
We'd have to think harder because I think these have been used befor.

phil · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:58 am Post subject:

"- why not an unelected individual -"

I know its been used before, but the German word for leader would be very suitable.

wayland · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 1171 Location: Campile. Wexford

A bridge too far perhaps, but the sentiment is not lost me thinks. Wink

As to one decenter spoiling the broth, this is not a problem at the moment. even less of a problem if Lisbon is ratified as the voting majority needed to get things approved would be about 58%. Unlike the 78% or so at the moment. So smaller committees and lower approval percentage would speed up the decision making process. Having ones own commissioner in Brussels does not mean that he/she would have a vote. The commissioners would just have a voice. This is how I understand it. I may well have got it wrong.
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phil · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject:

Obviously im not putting my point over clearly enough,this man can explain it much better than i can,everything that Britain stands to lose, all the other countries in the EU will lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTjg-vt0Ao4

mountain man · Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 9 Location: strokestown

Hitler must be laughing wherever he finished up,isnt all this Lisbon thing just what millions gave there lifes fighting against,being ruled over by one regime?A farmer friend had to apply to Brussels just to fell 12 trees on his own land that his father had planted,makes you wonder.

blowin · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject:

A very good debate ,
Would this take place if membership of this forum was more restricted ?
Admin would make a very good Benign Dictator .