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phil · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: Lisbon

After the disgraceful way this undemocratic government has dismissed the will of the people, is anyone going to vote yes this time on the Lisbon Treaty.

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

Yes. Fuck democracy, the EU pay our bills and where would the farmers be without it.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

I actually don't think it matters - europe has the power to bring in whatever legislation it likes to sidestep any obstacle laid in its path. I just wish I knew where it was going.

phil · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:55 am Post subject:

"Yes. Fuck democracy"
Quarryman you must be delighted with this Government having so much in common.

By coincidence i came across this paragraph in Animal Farm.

"Squealer consoles the animals, saying, "Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?""

...and i had the image of the fat faces of Cowen, Harney and Linihan on the pigs and the runt of the litter O'Dea as squealer.

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

Good reply Phil.

I suppose it was an instant reaction by me but we can be idealists or realists. We could be idealists and vote no, hoping that other EU countries will follow us or realists that know that when Ireland signed up to the EEC back in the 70s, that we sold our souls to the Devil and are now totally dependent on grant aid, subsidies, single farm payments, headage payments, motorways, infrastructure etc etc etc.

I would also love to see world peace and an end to famine but that's not going to happen in my lifetime.

phil · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject:

Sadly i have to agree with you and Dara but being in the EU is not the problem,if this treaty is ratified it means it has been decided by politicians not by the majority of the people of Europe.

patmk · Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject:

i will vote no because i can
if ireland says no then this treaty cant become law in europe unless they also get us to vote to leave the eu, and i wont vote for that
this treaty has nothing to do with ireland been in the eu, this treaty only has to do with taking away our right to say no
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phil · Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject:

Good man this could be the start of a long overdue revolution.

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

Have you noticed that the only parties throughout Europe who want a no vote are extreme right wing/facist groups like Sinn Fein, BNP, UK Indpendence Party, Libertas etc.

phil · Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:

If these political parties are facist why would they be encouraging democracy