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phil · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject:

Some people might think the findings are biased when reporting on the Jewish method of slaughter,what else did you find nonsense.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

Nonsense perhaps not, it's a good point - "blunt knives"! I suppose we can't assume every 'little' detail will be remembered but thank God we can trust a Jew to remind a Muslim and vice versa.
Both rituals are equally repugnant to me but seen as both these holy protagonists claim to be Gods chosen people what either crowd does to lesser beings here on earth probably doesn't matter much.
Being supreme artists at furthering and protecting their respective ideological programmes and interests neither side needs our governments collusion or infidel / gentile apologists.

phil · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject:

There is no excuse for anyone using a blunt knife,if the Muslim slaughterman doesn't have the correct knife he should not be allowed to do any cutting.The New Zealand method of stunning before cutting seems to be a reasonable compromise on both sides of the argument.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

Couldn't agree more. All the fun of the ritual - animal facing Mecca etc. and a clean kill. New Zealand always appealed to me.

phil · Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:

Dara
What do you think of Grandins comparison,That there was a less vigorous reaction to the cut than there was to an ear tag punch.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

Hi Phil,
I have to say I'm amazed. Especially when they go on to say that it appeared the animal was not aware that its throat had been cut. Given the findings and the recommendations, I'd agree that there are grounds to argue the merits of the system. And as pointed out earlier by Quarryman this proceedure, carried out competently on farm, would seem to be no more stressful to an animal than conventional methods.
However how you carry the proceedure out without unneccessary restraint and encroachment of flight space in a commercial environment would seem a difficult but maybe not insurmountable issue to overcome.

I believe the Sikhs completely behead their livestock and use a kind of 'walk in' guillotine. Which sounds like a very swift end. But there is unnerving anecdotal evidence which suggests that because of the very sharpness and swiftness of the severance the animal does not actually know that it is 'dead' and the head continues to exhibit facial, eye and mouth movements for some time after.

phil · Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject:

I think the practical and safe way to home kill a beast or pig is to shoot it.
As for stunning the animals in the factory its more for convenience than compassion.
It would be interesting to find out if anyone has changed their mind on this subject since the first post. I am still of the same opinion that cutting is no worse than the other things animals have done to them,but if its easier to stun before cutting then do it.

blowin · Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:33 am Post subject:

joker · Joined: 11 Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Location: ROI

Could you give them a good whack of potcheen before commencing the procedure ?
Would the meat still be safe to eat ?

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

Might work for pigs. Two paralytic pigs would probably fight to the death. Might work commercially too - organised pissed piggy free for alls with punters paying to see a last pig standing smackdown.