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| quarryman |
Happy St. Patrick's DayHappy Paddy's Day in my worst stage Irish accent. I hope all of ye have yer shpuds in, today is the last day to plant dem.We will have a competition for de person who can wear de most shamrock to go to de mass followed by a binge drinking session. Begorra and be Japers, to be sure to be sure !!!!  
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| Camile |
Happy paddy's day,
did you drink the shamrock well then ? Camile |
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| quarryman |
No I didn't take part in the national pastime of drinking cans of cheap Dutch beer and burning hijacked cars. Where did I go wrong, am I a bad influence on my two daughters.
How come the French, God bless Premier Cru Chablis, the Italians and the Spanish, renowned for their production of wonderful, inexpensive wines, can celebrate and drink without resorting to violence and excess. I blame the Norman Invasion...... well what else is there to blame
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| Moonwaves |
[quote="quarryman"]
I blame the Norman Invasion...... well what else is there to blame [/quote]
The weather of course!  
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| greentree |
Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day
Got my first earlies in yesterday. Normally I try to get them in for around Paddys day but the ground was just a bit too wet. Yesterday was just right and the rotovator sailed through the plot. |
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| wayland |
I have not got mine in yet  but I did buy them in time. does this count?. I think that the Normans were not to blame. More like a Viking influence me thinks.
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| quarryman |
We have our early and late spuds in. White onions, red onions and shallots. Mange tout, sugar snaps and the first row of carrots. Next month will be very busy with additional veg planting.
Does anyone know yet when the ban on turf cutting comes in. It is either this Summer or next Summer, I believe it will be an EU wide ban. So we are planting lots and lots of willow and keeping all the prunings of the trees. |
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| Camile |
Hi there,
I was talking to the conservation ranger the other day .. and he told us that if you receive a letter saying your bog is now protected ... then you can't cut ... if you don't receive it ... kepp cutting as usual ... we are looking at the price the bog could fetch if selling to the so called "wildlife crowd" .. because when they get protected, you've lost all ... Camile |
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| quarryman |
BUGGER !!!! | ||
| quarryman |
Plant more willow.............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| gardener |
Eh? Whats the story about a turf cutting ban ......have I been asleep and missed something 
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| quarryman |
http://www.examiner.ie/story/ireland/ojidcwmhgb/rss2/
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-end-of-an-era-1311613.html It has been discussed on the radio and locally where there are SACs. We have a bog that we don't cut, I leave it to the wild flora and fauna but I read that over 46% of our blanket bog, in Ireland, had gone due to private cutting so the EU has stepped in. |
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| wayland |
Not living in an area of peat bogs I was wondering what size the allocations are. Planting Willow for coppicing seems an option and with the apparent ban in some areas perhaps more bog could be got cheaply from those who wish to abandon their bogs. Perhaps a business opportunity
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| quarryman |
The area of bog you get depends on the house you own. Most tubury rights date back centuries. The "big house" would have either owned or was given hundreds of acres and the little cottage would have been given rights to a bank of turf.
The vast majority of bogland is protected and you would not be permitted to plant on them, unless you are Coilte, then you can plant wherever you want !!! We are planting willow in any soft ground we have, I can see it being the future of sustainable fuel for small holders. |
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| blowin |
I have a personal interest in this . There are 2 "plots" of bog where the turbary ( turf-cutting ) rights belong to this old house . It took me 3 years of asking around before I could actually locate the plots on-the-ground and even now I don't know quite where they begin and end . I am sure I will find out the hard way because the locals know well enough but they simply won't tell me ! Not even the friendly ones  . Must be something to do with the culture ? 
Anyway , I have the impression that a "plot" is a fairly standard measure akin to an "allotment" in the uk . There may be local variations ? I think the man who eventually cut the turf ( after an awful lot of questions from him and grovelling from me ) said it was 100 yards long by something like 80 sods ( ? ) wide . Unfortunately I can't remember the exact dimension and I don't think he called them sods , either !  . By a "sod" I mean a single strip of fresh turf , which is about 5" wide .
Does that sound about right to anyone who actually knows ?
AFAIK turbary rights are non-transferrable ie they stay with a particular property . We don't actually own the land where our tubary rights exist . I think that is quite common . |
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| quarryman |
Correct. The State owns the land as such but you have full rights to cut turf. The normal width of a plot is approx 20 paces [it does vary regionally] but you could check this out by measuring the other worked plots. There are usually small drainage trenches on the boundaries. Some of the friendly locals have been known to work plots that dont belong to them and will avoid giving correct information to "newcomers". Your solicitor or estate agent should be able to help. I marked out, quite visibly, the extent of our bog to let the "natives" know that we were up to speed, not that we were going to work it but to stop the "accidental" working and the moving of boundaries.
Details of cessation of turf cutting. http://www.npws.ie/en/ http://www.npws.ie/en/Conservatio...ers/CessationofTurfCuttingscheme/ They made it really "easy" to find out this information. |
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| Graney |
Apparently I have turbary rights on a plot in our bog, but as far as I am aware they have not been exercised for in excess of 50 years.
I'd like to find out where the plot that goes with our house is. Are there no plans or records lodged anywhere ... or is it always down to tapping into local knowledge? Knowing how evasive my neighbours have been about questions concerning land boundaries, I suspect I'm not going to get too many clear answers on this issue. |
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| blowin |
Our Plots are refered to in the Title Deeds to the property , under the section headed " Servient and Appurtenant Rights" (?) . They are described in considerable detail eg " plot 92 on the mountain of ... in the parish of ... " but they are not shown on any map that I can find . Presumably one exists somewhere . I think you can obtain a copy of your Deeds from the Land Registry for a fee . |
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