Hancock lurchers

phil · Hancock lurchers

What do you think of them shark???

http://hancocklurchers.co.uk/index.html

shark

they look ,top class phil, i like that hector x Annie they have some nice lurcher's for sale.head is really spinning now phil Laughing

phil

I spoke to him today and there's some very young pups,and a few bitches ready to drop a litter,I like the stud dog Alex a lot of his pups are around 23 to 24 inches to the shoulder,which would suit me for ferreting.The pups are two hundred pounds each,and seventy pound to get them to Ireland.

shark

phil

I was only asking about the younger pups i wouldn't take on an older one,
you can do a lot of training in those first few weeks.

dizandstell

I dont think you will be disapointed with a Hancock. Used my 3/4, Taz, profesionaly Never let me down. She is retired now and a little tired. I will dig some phots out and post them.
If you get the chance of going over to Davids place. Ask to see his photographs. He is a very good Black and White photographer.
When its time, I will replace Taz with a half cross from Davids stable.This would suit my current kneeds better than a 3/4.
If you had a Bitch from him and decided to breed from her, you can take her back to him to be coverd. It ensures you dont put a merle to a merle due to his records and ear tattooing.
Diz

shark

dizandstell

Shark, found some recent ones only. She is 11 now!
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But still very young at heart.
Diz

shark

thanks for sharing the photos ,diz. looks like a nice dog ,you have their.made my mind up ,hancock it is.

phil

shark
Did you speak to Dave Hancock, are you going to get a pup.
If so we could get them delivered at the same time.

shark

that sounds good phil,i am going to give him a ring tomorrow, to confirm what i want.have you ordered yours.

phil

Not yet,he's should have a few pups to choose from very shortly.

dizandstell

Thank you Shark.
I dont know how experienced you are with working/training Lurchers (sorry in advance if you are expeirienced) but you wont go far wrong by reading a copy of, The complete Lurcher. By D Brian Plummer.(Of the Plummer Terrier fame) It gives you an insite of what your pup should be coming to expect from you! I found it quite usefull and informative. I am not to sure where you will pick a copy up though. My last four have still yet to return!!!!
Diz

dizandstell

Just looked on amazon. I didnt know he wrote a new complete lurcher. But its out of stock! There are some of the old version available but are second hand. I wonder if my four are amongst them Laughing

Diz

shark

diz ,this will be my first lurcher,so any advice i can get ,from you and phil.Would be great. so i can give my lurcher,the best start.Diz i will have a look for those books mate, sounds good.when the time comes ,i will start a new post ,on training my first lurcher. I will keep you guys busy over the winter Wink

phil

Hello shark
Have you ordered your pup yet.

shark

hi Phil, talked to Dave ,very nice man.when did he say your pup will be ready, what do you think of a half bearded collie,and half greyhound...or a half border collie half greyhound.

phil

I would pick border collie greyhound,but that's just my preference.he has a stud dog called Alex which is ten per cent greyhound that's the one i would like a pup out of,and the pups are a bit smaller than usual twenty three twenty four inches.

shark

alex i say would make a nice ferret dog,would they be a good all round dog , say for lamping etc

phil

They would make great ferreting and lamping dogs,but it all depends on how much work you are willing to put in to training them.

dizandstell

Shark,
I have found the Bearded cross to be astheticly pleasing on the eye. The Border to a bit quicker to command and less willfull. Taz will do what i want a liitle slower if she does not agree with me. That said, i would probably put that down to my failings other than the dogs Embarassed

There is an old wifes tale with regards to colour of dogs. White dogs are constatutionaly weaker than any other coloured dog. Not realy sure what that means! Mabey somothing to do with albinism. My albino ferrets worked well as did my white dog. I found Taz to be easy to see when out lamping. Mind you it could be confusing in a field full of sheep. She was also easy to folow on the moor and plain on a long course.

phil

There's a saying "No good horse is a bad colour"so its down to what suits you personally,im not keen on white or lemon and white dogs,but they work as well as any other dog.

shark

diz

you are right the bearded cross are pleasing to the eye,they are nice looking.As for color where do you start the is so many, but like you and Phil said its what you but in to them.as a newbie, the border might be a better choice.Diz ,and Phil whats the best day,or night you ever had out with your dogs.i have been out a good few times , watching guys working the lurches ,greyhounds ,its amazing watching them chasing the rabbits ,and hares.

dizandstell

I think the most memorable night was when we took 5 fox on the lamp. Bitterly cold, big fields, just right for the dog.
Out with a friend in N Wales one night and filled a trailor with coney. His half cross was better for the job that night. It had more stamina and quicker in the small fields.
Best day was on Holcome Moor. She took her first Roe. That was in the good old days when people who cared looked after the countryside, not the fluffy bunny brigade! Sigh

phil

The big catch days haven't been the most enjoyable,its usually when something happens that makes you proud of the dog and more than a bit pleased with yourself that you trained it.

phil

I have just been on a site about lurchers and can't believe the nonsense and prejudice that some people, who should know better have.One of the reasons they don't like Hancock dogs is because the parents don't work obviously meaning that the pups off these dogs can't or won't be able to catch rabbits or hares, to anyone who has had a dog off Hancock knows that isn't true.Another is that he breeds pups for a living so that makes him a puppy farmer, but i know for a fact that he will only sell you one pup at a time because he knows that training two pups at once to any level of proficiency is beyond the average lurcher owner.The owner of a poorly trained dog would rather blame the breeder, than his own inability to train the dog. He's been breeding the same type of dogs for twenty years so he must be doing something right.

dizandstell

Got to agree with you Phil.
Usually find the exponants of such drivell are the ones on Salisbury plain with a Whippet or a Long Dog in mid Cheshire with a torch!!! Had one chap tell me my half cross was worse than usless for fox due to it comeing from David. Having seen his training methods on his Lakeland, i wasnt left with mental scars! We just got on making a living, controling fox'.

phil

You probably know the site i mean ,just out of curiosity i looked at the for sale adds for the last six months, out of about fifty dogs three were collie cross greyhound the bulk of the others were either bull or saluki crossed with greyhound or whippet and not one Hancock dog,that tells a tale.

dizandstell

They probably think brown eggs taste better than white eggs and black tea keeps distemper away Laughing

phil

Got the pup last friday,it was very dehydrated after the journey but back to normal after two days,already its house trained during the day,standing at the door when it needs to go out, at night it stays in the shed.
Ill let you know how things progress in training as we go.

dizandstell

Excelant news Phil,
Any chance of a photo? Which cross did you go for in the end?
Good luck with the pup and looking forward to the progress reports.
Diz

Camile

Congrats Phil !

glad to hear you got him in the end ..

will have to pop up one day to be properly introduced !

Camile

phil

The bitch is half border bearded collie half greyhound,as for pictures i will have to wait for one of the kids to do that for me.

phil

This is the pup at eleven week old.

dara

Nice looking dog Phil. Years ago I had a bearded collie - best dog I ever had - a real character. I did'nt know what he was when I got him as a pup from battersea dogs home. I used to shear him cause he was always jumping in the canal or rolling in shit. One day someone stopped me in the park and told me he was a nice example of a bearded border collie.

dizandstell

What a good looking Bitch Phil. David does it again.