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phil · Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: Halal slaughter

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/an/an_slaughter.htm
As most people think ritual slaughter is cruel this may change their minds.

quarryman · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Sligo

If we go back one generation, this was the method used on all the farms and smallholdings. It does make sense.

Good post Phil.

Camile · Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject:

Hello,

Having seen this method being applied right in front of me .. I can definitely confirm that the animal doesn't seem to suffer whatsoever and is a quick and effective way of slaughtering animals ..

looks dramatic for us but the welfare of the animals comes first at that moment ..

It's my preferred option for slaughtering animals ..

does the same can be done with pigs ? because there wouldn't be a traditional halal way for them Smile

Camile

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

I have a slaughter licence - they're easy to get - you need a letter from a vet saying that you are competent and you fill in a form and send it to your local council with about €6.50.
The Halal plant in Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo used a restraining 'cradle' which held the beast befor a chin lift came up lifting the neck and wedging it up against a brace which held the head - the throat was then cut. The animal continued to try to breathe until it lost consciousness - this was around a minute, sometimes less but certainly not 3 seconds. That was the cattle line. The lambs were simply leg trapped and and cut. Maybe they didn't feel a thing and were blissfully thinking about fields of clover as they squirmed and frothed their last but it did'nt look like it.
The 'study' mentions that the EEG recorded zero just after slaughter but how it can tell the difference between pain and terror I don't know.
Cattle stunned by captive bolt or percussion methods usually go into a darkened killing box where they naturally look up to the light at the end and are then dropped. It's not perfect but it's not cruel.

Camile, a similar operation was done with pigs. I'm sure there are lots of people on this forum who have attended the home slaughter of a pig and remember it's screams - hard to forget it.

macconraoi · Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject:

I have to agree with Dara,cutting an animals throat in its full senses is OK ?.How can this be right.
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phil · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject:

I think you have to accept the findings of the research until its proved wrong,
what we see and imagine to be painful might not always be the case.
Its difficult to define the amount of pain the animal goes through.
Does a cow giving birth to a big calf suffer more pain than having its throat cut,the birth certainly lasts a lot longer,and its done year after year.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

The only place I can find reference to this 'research' is on a couple of pro muslim sites or blogs. Please let me know if you're able to find a more impartial authority that recognises it.

I would'nt argue about pain at all but since the animal has to be man-handled/restrained prior to and during this proceedure I would question stress inflicted which to my mind would be as important.
I think to compare the pain/stress experience of a cow during natural (or assisted) calving and the same experience of any beast at a halal abbottoir is absurd.

For anybody interested there are a number of postings on www.youtube.com that depict slaughter in the muslim ritual and conventional western manners- make your own mind up.

phil · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject:

Why is the comparison absurd,pain and stress is the same no matter how, or for what reason it has to endured.I like the phrase assisted birth,when what is really happening is an over sized calf is jacked out of a cow that has no chance of giving birth naturally.If we are willing to accept that the animal has to suffer pain for one reason why not another,that is of course if we think that ritual slaughter is painful.

phil · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

I can't find any independent confirmation on the research,but it would be interesting to find out why it was undertaken and if any one sponsored it.
I have to accept that these were the findings of the research regardless of who did it.

dara · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Mayo

It's absurd because I think it's rediculously unreasonable to make a comparison between the rare predicament of a calving cow in a suckler or dairy herd and the treatment afforded her kind in halal factories.
Just in the same way as human childbirths are assisted by obstetric devices in certain circumstances so are some calvings - this applies particularly to first and late calvers. Whether we like it or not we cannot do much if a young heffer or old cow cannot calve unassisted but we have a moral duty to ensure that livestock in our care do not suffer unneccessary discomfort, stress or pain.
If you are suggesting that farmers deliberately set out to ensure or risk a difficult and potentially very costly outcome of calving you're very wrong.